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As opposed to better stride length and stride frequency through the leg swing drills used by many, Jakalski advocates that improvements in stride lengths and frequencies are determined largely, or perhaps entirely, from the ground force applied during the stance phase”

 

While the focus of track coaching education in the U.S. is on improved technique and efficiency, Jakalski and other like-minded coaches present a glimpse as to where the field might go one day.”

 

John Cissik, NSCA Journal

 

 

Neither Barry nor I want to anger colleagues who have spent major portions of their careers looking very closely at the relationship between kinematics and speed. We are not proposing any revolutionary theory to speed, we have no intellectual property we are trying to endorse, protect, or market, and we certainly aren’t trying to discredit researchers who have been involved in valuable kinematic studies since the early eighties. 

 

In addition, we’re not looking only at the Weyand research to the exclusion of all other research, nor are we basing our position solely on the swing data that explored the issue of speed from force rather than kinematics.

 

In fact, I believe the following will be most enlightening, at least in terms of my own change in thinking. Here are a few of my Supertraining posts from years back:

 

“When Mel first presented Dr. Weyand's Journal of Applied Physiology study to the group over a year ago, I too challenged the research, and shared my views in a post that initially suggested my concern that important aspects of sprint mechanics were being overlooked.”

 

What specifically was my challenge? Here’s that original letter:

  

“In light of the studies of the late Leigh Kolka, as well as those of Pink, Hamilton, Mann suggesting that propulsion is coming from the free swinging limb, I’m trying to understand the Weyand, Sternlight research which concluded that human runners reach faster top speeds, not by repositioning their limbs more rapidly in the air, but by applying greater support forces to the ground.

 

If this were a high speed treadmill (which I’m sure was the case) what if they fitted all subjects in an exo-harness (for safety) and accelerated them beyond their top end speed?  I wonder if all would reach failure at the same time?  What will cause failure, ground force breakdown, or the inability of the free swinging limb (hip flexors) to “call the hip forward”?  If it appears to be the latter, then what are we saying truly defines the limits of maximum velocity? 

 

Perhaps we should look again at Roger Mann’s 1980 study (Biomechanics of Walking, Running, and Sprinting” American Journal of Sports Medicine).  “It appears hip flexion is an extremely important part of running and, unfortunately, the one we have the least amount of data on at the present time.  As the speed of gait increases, the speed of hip flexion likewise increases.  This may be the joint that gives us the biggest boost forward…”

 

Here’s another post:

“For those skeptical of the findings, I can assure you that I was also reluctant to accept them without a fight. As a high school sprint coach for the past twenty-eight years, I too could sight numerous athletes who I believe benefited from my attempts to enhance technique. Like many of my colleagues, I've been a long time advocate of the sprint model that most of us believe is essential in training both developmental and emerging elite athletes.

However, I was introduced to concepts that made it clear I was arguing from an entirely different context. My concern is that, without a firm grasp of this different context, "good information might be getting a bad rap."

 

So what is our position?

 

Questions relative to what actions create more ground force and what needs to be done
to improve them assumes that the ground forces are somehow determined by leg kinematics, and this, at least for me, lead to the various ‘kinematic duplication’ drills I had been doing since 1982.  From 1982 to the late nineties, if I came across a coach with good technique drills, I immediately put those into my program.  In fact, the Speed Dynamics “Drills for Speed” tape became my ‘technique bible’ for several years. 


What I’ve come to accept is that sprinting performance is a function of mass-specific strength and rapid force development.  These attributes are not conferred by some action, but rather by the muscle properties and stance limb mechanics different runners use.  We don't yet have the answer to how the fast sprinters do it or what physiological and mechanical factors allow them to.  However, virtually all the locomotion literature Barry and I have pursued has been consistent with the idea that runners naturally select the stance limb mechanics that are best for them.  In other words, there is no magic kinematic bullet that will provide the necessary mass-specific forces quickly.


The research indicates speed is a physiological attribute and while skill may be required, runners already operate at the limits of this skill. Teaching skill won't provide greater or faster force. For example, I would spend considerable time on ‘fast foot drills,” because the Speed Dynamics model noted that faster runners spend less time on the ground.  However, faster runners have shorter contact times as they run faster. They do not run faster because they take shorter contacts.  Further, the contact times different runners use at the same speed can vary a little (individual variation), but generally fast and slow runners use the same contacts at any given running speed. Trying to shorten contact time at any speed by leg swing or other ‘fast foot release’ drills would harm performance.

 

Ken Jakalski

 

 

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Posted: 11/3/2007 7:03:40 PM UTC  #    Comments [10]
11/4/2007 6:05:04 AM UTC
Ken-
As I said before, I am not debating the effectiveness of A and B drills to beneficially alter sprinting mechanics. As I've said before, I too believe it is ground reaction force that determines speed. Where I differ from you and Barry is that I believe that kinematics beget kinetics beget kinematics and so on. I know as an athlete and as a coach that contrary to what Barry states that it is possible to change swing phase mechanics when sprinting. Ralph Mann's longitudinal data and observations support this as well. Likewise, I believe that appropriate kinematic changes can produce beneficial kinetic outcomes at ground contact. Not only through appropriate alignment of force vectors at ground contact but also by loading the leg musculature to produce greater force at impact. For instance, a high knee position places greater stretch on the leg extensors and should permit the athlete to accelerate the thigh downward better prepared to withstand the forces of impact.

I'd be very interested to see "virtually all the locomotion literature Barry and I have pursued" that has "consistently" stated that "runners naturally select the stance limb mechanics that are best for them." I'm not aware of any research to suggest this on anything other than joggers in contrived environments.
11/4/2007 7:12:33 AM UTC
Ken & Barry

"virtually all the locomotion literature Barry and I have pursued" that has "consistently" stated that "runners naturally select the stance limb mechanics that are best for them."

Maybe we are just talking lousy training/technique methods here and can technique be made much more efficient if you know how to do it.
What puzzles me is that you guys do not question the state of knowledge behind the qoute above. Look at the dynamic pattern theory that is relative new and that has not found its way yet into training methods.
My contribution; " if you can not make running more efficient by techniquetraining, you just do not know how to do it". (especially scientists have no idea how to do it)
anonymus
11/4/2007 7:24:16 AM UTC
Anonymus posts have no merit whatsoever.
Barry Ross
11/4/2007 7:22:21 PM UTC
Hi Mike!

Thanks for your response! This is all very productive--at least from my perspective. You note the following in your response: appropriate kinematic changes can produce beneficial kinetic outcomes at ground contact.

What drills does one do to produce a beneficial kinetic outcome at ground contact? What we're going to show in separate blogs is that positions must change as faster athletes deal with the effects of wind.

My next question: Since athletes must deal with alignment changes with increases in speed and greater wind, how can there be one appropriate alignment?

Another question: How is the speed of a limb back to the track producing greater force at impact? I thought the explanation of this was clear from Paul Boardman's insight posted to Supertraining: "the physics guys at Lisle are correct in answering the initial/final sum requirement question in accordance with the principle that conservation of momentum is inviolate. In a closed system, the impact on landing may be distributed among component parts, but the sum of these momentums must equal the sum of the momentums exiting the action. These individual momentums may vary in such a way as to cause the gain in one part to be offset by a loss in another.

Driving the leg back to the ground will do nothing to increase the momentum of the body as a whole and the required impulse at contact to reverse the momentum of the body as a whole (closed system)."

Were it indeed occurring (I haven't seen this in any high school athlete ranging from 7.1 to 9.1 mps)shouldn't this acceleration of the thigh in faster athletes be reflected in reduced swing time?

To the anonymous poster: what ARE these technique drills that will make running more efficient? A point of clarification: Efficiency has an exact definition, and in this context equals mechanical work/metabolic work.

How are you asessing improvment in efficiency?

I don't believe scientists can measure the total work that runners actually perform. They can quantify the net work vs. gravity when running uphill or when pulling, but they can't measure how much of the lifting and accelerating within each stride during running on level ground is done passively (springs, energy transfers) or by the muscles.

Regarding anonymous again: you stated: "if you can not make running more efficient by technique training, you just do not know how to do it."

If you do have some teaching protocols, then which of these protocols does the sprinter 'apply' as greater wind at faster speeds forces changes in foot placement? In subsequent posts, we'll explore this issue of elite sprinters and wind. When Maurice Greene goes from 11.63 mps to 11.90, which of your swing techniques is he going to apply to make the essential changes to compensate for wind?

The lengendary Floyd Highfil just sent me the following:
"Of the common environmental factors which runners encounter (such as gravity, air resistance, humidity,
altitude, temperature, etc.) overcoming air resistance is the primary limiting factor as to how fast one can run.

As runners increase speed, the “apparent wind” they encounter also increases. Since air resistance increases as the square of the velocity, a runner traveling at 20 miles per hour on a calm day encounters 4 times the air resistance as does a runner at 10 mph.


Other things also happen as air resistance increases. One thing is that as air resistance increases, runners are forced to “lean” more forward. They also run more upright with following winds. In slight winds as
usually encountered this difference is sometimes not noticeable (as in “subtle”). As a consequence, any change in body posture results in some modification of
the runner’s foot placement. Since a runner’s foot lands almost exactly under their center if gravity on each step, as the body shifts ever so slightly as the posture changes, this causes their foot placement to also change slightly."

Anonymous: how does one technique (the appropriate one you teach) apply to the different landings elite athletes accomplish quite naturally with changes in wind? Do you have multiple techniques for dealing with changes in landing with increases in speed? If so, how do your athletes 'know' which of these techniques to apply based upon the wind they are encountering at higher speeds? If your swing technique is as effective as you indicate, it would seem that the eventual placement of the limb, based upon your specific swing technique, would be problematic. The technique would result in a very specific landing, yet the leg would require a somewhat different alignment based upon the wind resistance the athlete encounters.

In other words, if your technique does result in a change of alignment, applying that technique as athletes increase speed should be changing the landing placement. I can't see how this would not be the case.
11/4/2007 7:27:37 PM UTC
Hi Mike!

Thanks again for your replies!

Here's another question: Were we to take the swing techniques taught by an elite coach (such as Randy Huntington), then assess these technqiues (as did Kivi with the A-B) based upon kinematics, once this runner is at top end speed, would you expect the kinematics of the isolated technique drills to match the kinematics at high speed?
11/5/2007 5:08:32 AM UTC
Ken

"Dynamic pattern theory" answers your questions on variation in technique and on control.
This new science also explains why the Weyand study may be OK reductionist science but can not answer the detailed problems you try to solve regarding running technique at all. In other words Weyand can not give answers to questions on good training.

anonymus
11/5/2007 1:08:08 PM UTC
Dr. Weyand is not asking these questions. I am. I have mentioned that the Weyand 2000 JAP study served as corroboration for leg swing technique issues I have been reviewing since 1998.

I repeat just the last question: Were we to take the swing techniques taught by an elite coach (such as Randy Huntington), then assess these technqiues (as did Kivi with the A-B) based upon kinematics, once this runner is at top end speed, would you expect the kinematics of the isolated technique drills to match the kinematics at high speed?

Or do classical kinematics not apply relative to the dynamic pattern theory?

Mike Young has noted the following in his recent discussion on Elite Track:

Don't take this to mean I over-coach sprint mechanics. In fact, most of my athletes will complete a sprint workout and never hear a word about mechanics. Others might be able to go the entire year without hearing anything. Those that are running lazy or those who have come to me with what I perceive to be poor mechanics however, might get 2-3 feedback comments in a workout.I think there still is a place for drill work, however I believe it should be focused on force application and not the swing phase. The main focus should not be "technique" but aiding the athlete to recruit more motor neurons.

Does this mean that someone like Mike, approaching technique in this manner, is setting coaching back twenty years or more?

Barry and I follow pretty much a similar procedure, yet we are told that is the case.
11/5/2007 4:24:44 PM UTC
Ken-
I'll come back later to answer your questions in detail but I wanted to point out that you've attributed a quote to me that is not mine and I'd like it corrected if possible. I have NEVER said:

"I think there still is a place for drill work, however I believe it should be focused on force application and not the swing phase. The main focus should not be "technique" but aiding the athlete to recruit more motor neurons."

This was written by someone by the username of cdt1 not me. I'm not sure how you could possibly have attributed it to me but it is not my opinion and because it undermines all my arguments to the contrary and makes me appear inconsistent I'd ask that it is corrected. I hope that this is an honest mistake and not an intentional attempt to decieve the bearpowered readership.
11/5/2007 5:42:43 PM UTC
Hi Mike!

That was my mistake completely. I stand corrected on that. And I apologize. Thanks for that reply. Perhaps to clarify: could you state your position on the mechanics of swing so that there is no error here. As the nature with blogs, I took cdt1's comments to be yours. Sloppy on my part.
11/5/2007 10:42:16 PM UTC
Hi Mike! Misattriubting cdt1's quote to you has been bothering me all day. That's just one of thos errors that is really inexcusable. In this regard it also makes the comment to annonymous inappropriate, and I regret that as well.

Thanks also for the professional way you handled this. If you were upset, you had every right to be. From the tone of your post, you were clearly giving me the benefit of the doubt on this, and I appreciate that.

I'll make certain that your position is clear to our readership.

But I've got to admit I like cdt1's post, and maybe I was wishing you were the one saying it :)

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